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  1874, 1914 and 1943

  by TD in

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  a persistent meme that floats around on jw related internet forums holds that christ's second coming was moved forward 40 years (i.e.

  from 1874 to 1914) in the year 1943.

  (this appears to be based primarily on a statment in the book god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached on page 209 and to a lesser degree, a footnote at the bottom of page 133 of the publication jehovah's witnesses - proclaimers of god's kingdom.).

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  Hey DJegg - Here's a free lesson from a real man - watch and learn:

  
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  1874, 1914 and 1943

  by TD in

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  a persistent meme that floats around on jw related internet forums holds that christ's second coming was moved forward 40 years (i.e.

  from 1874 to 1914) in the year 1943.

  (this appears to be based primarily on a statment in the book god's kingdom of a thousand years has approached on page 209 and to a lesser degree, a footnote at the bottom of page 133 of the publication jehovah's witnesses - proclaimers of god's kingdom.).

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  Ha - DJEggnoggen said: Many of those that are called "Jehovah's Witnesses" are pioneers, ministerial servants, elders, but it's clear me to me that they don't care about themselves, don't care about their own families, don't care about people period...

  He's hilarious - a lengthy defense of JW beliefs (which btw no active Jehovah's Witnesses will read in the first place), by a supposed JW himself, that includes some of the most hateful insults directed at JWs.

  I can't believe how he comes on here and verbally 'beats his fellow brothers'.

  What happened to you DJ - they still not make you a MS/Elder yet? Get over yourself.

  Also I call BS on his claim of working in the legal profession, at least not with anyone that takes him seriously. No lawyer or court would tolerate his inability to get to the point. They would tell him to learn how to be concise and only then would he be able to rejoin the profession.

  

  Here's Some Advice - Get this:

  
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  The 'Twortle' ... was it designed?

  by just n from bethel in

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  explique moi s'il vous plait.

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  Explique moi S'il vous plait
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  A concerned JW wrote "mistakes will happen."

  by InterestedOne in

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  in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/213523/1/feeling-a-bit-alienated, concerned jw wrote:.

  mistakes will happen.

  concerned jw, if mistakes will happen, i was wondering what mistakes you feel the jw organization is currently making?

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  CJW said I challenge you to find any religion... (including yourselves if you like) that are perfect and mistake free.

  Exactly ... Which means you're admitting that JWs are really no different than any other religion. Congratulations, you're making progress. Your first step was coming on to this and posting, against the religion's rules.

  Personally, I must say, your disobedience to your leaders is refreshing (despite the fact that you have very familiar mannerisms to past posters that keep changing their avatars, i.e. I think we've seen you before).

  No matter how you spin it, and no matter what kind of excuse you give yourself, your presence is exactly the same as you saying this:

  'Dear GB, I don't believe everything you tell me, especially, in this case, when it comes to your authority. I believe you are wrong to tell your followers not to come online and associate with disfellowshipped members and apostates. I don't think the elders made a sincere effort to help them and I don't think you make a good effort to help them either; so... I willfully dismiss your instructions about association with apostates and disfellowshiped ones. Not only am I going to say a lot more than 'hello', but I'm going to engage in lengthy discussions with them. And I'm going to do it publicly so that the world and many other active Jehovah's Witnesses can see that I, an active Jehovah's Witness, thinks the Watchtower and it's leaders are not doing things right.'

  For that, we thank you.

  In the meantime your silence on important questions that have been asked to you is the confirmation that many lurking JWs need to see in order to move forward and beyond the religion. Your refusal to answer many important questions regarding serious problems with this religion mimics the silence from the WT leaders. Which basically is the same as saying 'hey we know this religion is seriously messed up, but to admit that would only lead to making changes that would cause the GB to relinquish the control they exert over millions.'

  And hey - that just wont happen. Can you imagine the GB actually being asked apologize for being wrong about the blood issue.

  Here's their response, which by the way is my response to your silly posts :

  

  - but still glad you're here in a beautiful act of defiance.
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  Any "Breaking Bad" fans?

  by Dagney in

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  just wondering.

  i think i ended up tuning in during the second season but soon became hooked.

  it was interesting seeing the repeats of the whole seasons leading up to the season premiere two weeks ago.. any other fans out there in xdubbyland?

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  That show's as addicting as Meth
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  What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Watchtower Society?

  by MrDarkKnight in

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  in a number of different threads comments have been made about the motives of the gb and the wtbts.

  it made me think, what is their ultimate goal?

  what is their end game?.

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  I was actually asked this question not too long ago by an elder and friend (so I thought) ...

  he said basicaly the same thing, that its not a lifestyle that many would want. Since both of us were at bethel he was trying to play on the idea that it was a hard 'institutionalized' life style of bethel that isn't exactly a 'lifestyle of relaxing ease'.

  I replied 'well first of all, some people in this world - heck, even in the organization at congregation levels, would kill to never have to worry about a job, paying bills, income taxes, health care, etc. etc. Also, as BOTR pointed out, living in multi-million dollar apartments in Brooklyn Heights is not that bad. Especially - when you're upper ranked, like the GB. They don't have the same rules as new boys. They travel the world to meet people that pretty much worship them and look up to them like some kind of Shaman. And I can promise you their apartments, while not luxurious by Donald Trump's standards, are more than comfortable. Some day they'll be able to work/retire out in the country - away from the hustle and bustle at good ol' Patterson or Watchtower Farms or whatever multi-million dollar parcel they can find.'

  Then I said 'but all that is important, but only secondary. Continuing on in their lifestyle is only secondary to ensuring the perpetuity of the organization itself. That is their purpose. And likely, at this point, power. Controlling the lives of millions and having them eat every word blathered, is something religious leaders - heck - political leaders, corporate leaders, academic gurus, all have in common.'

  I further said, 'don't get me wrong - I think they sincerely believe they have an assignment from God and somehow are truly convinced that they are putting the followers best interest at heart when they issue decrees and interpretations and so forth. But when it comes down to it, when they are presented with a choice that involves doing what's best for an individual vs. doing what's best for the organization's perpetuity - the individual will come second. You can see examples of this in blood transfusion issues, child molestation issues, alternative service/neutrality issues, and much more. The organization, that is the WTBTS, inc. interests come first - no matter what the consequence to the JW individual. Until that changes, I can't even respect this religion, much less act like it is legitimately controlled by HS, God, and Jesus.'

  He said nothing. No reply as it was obvious I was dead on right.

  So seeing here what tralfamadorian said was basically the same thing :

  That's a real philosophical can of worms there. From what I've observed from studying secular history and a bit of religious history it seems as though the goal is like most other things in this world: To not end.

  Perpetuity baby.

  And like Nick said ... Power and control.

  Those two things - it's what it's all about.

  And finally what LeavingWT said - what it's not about. That was great.

  And even Shelby, who I don't agree with nor do I have the time to read most of her posts, I get that she said the WT is not about Christ. That... I do agree with. I don't care, whether Jesus was a good person or is actively involved in individuals lives or is just a legend that stirred things up in religious idealogy. If a religion or spritual individual wanted to promote the practical help and aid and humanity and individual spirituality that supposedly Jesus promoted, and not go beyond that in controlling indviduality, that's cool with me. I can respect that.

  Now (Sorry going OT) maybe some people really do need to attach themselves to a supernatural figure in order to be a good person and have hope. To me that's not important anymore. I don't care. Because, the WT taught me was to bash everyone else's beliefs and expect them to die - or at least look down on them as crazy. I don't want to do that anymore.

  I figure, the guys leading the WT dog and pony show may even have a hidden agenda. If they can at least get the ones who walk away like me, to have some kind of hate and intolerance for other belief systems, then they still have an effective amount of control over me. I want to leave that completely behind. I don't know what that makes me, hopefully just a human like one should be. The one thing the WT taught me was to pretend to myself that I was understanding and knew what 'love' meant. They had their definitions: Agape ... etc. But somewhere lost in the volumes of books and propoganda - they forgot to teach me tolerance. I wish they did. But I'm glad I'm learning now.
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  assemblies and my lovely wife

  by stillin in

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  i finally put a couple of pieces together that have boggled me for years.. i would take my family to the conventions and assemblies and for some reason, my wife would always be upset or start an argument in the car on the way home, or in the week that follows.

  i realize now that her frustration is that i am not the guy in the demonstrations.

  you know, the guy who has the bestfriend/elder who always says the perfect thing and the guy is so humble and does this little talks-to-himself thing where he reveals his deep spirituality and applies the ever-so-wise words of his friend and after that life is just great again!.

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  and for george....
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  assemblies and my lovely wife

  by stillin in

  1. jw
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  i finally put a couple of pieces together that have boggled me for years.. i would take my family to the conventions and assemblies and for some reason, my wife would always be upset or start an argument in the car on the way home, or in the week that follows.

  i realize now that her frustration is that i am not the guy in the demonstrations.

  you know, the guy who has the bestfriend/elder who always says the perfect thing and the guy is so humble and does this little talks-to-himself thing where he reveals his deep spirituality and applies the ever-so-wise words of his friend and after that life is just great again!.

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  Watching the Leadership Crumble

  by Damn The Watchtower in

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  i watch the watchtower leaders crumble, slowly crumble.

  one nonsensical move after the other.

  you have no idea how this makes me feel.

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  Moshe said : Unfortunately, many JWs no longer want to receive the blessings that come from membership as a JW- they want to leave- it's just that the WTshunning rules hold their families hostage. Change that and we will see just how many true believers in WT dogma there really are.

  I don't always agree with Moshe - but he's right on the money with the above idea.

  Now I expect him to go drink a Dos Equis.
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  "I can live with doubt and uncertainty, and not knowing."

  by leavingwt in

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  richard feynman on god .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylteym9h0x4.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/richard_feynman.

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  another keeper for my references